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Post by MDPthatsme on Jan 17, 2012 13:25:03 GMT -6
Yes, let's.
Villains...
You've got the super bad, head honcho villains at the top of the food chain then you've got supporting gunman, dirty work grunts.
Then there's a different type of villain, which is doing some evil to do some good. Example: Sandman of Spiderman 3.
What's your style for making villains? How do you feel about other villains of history, books, TV, etc.? Who's your favorite villain of all time?
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Post by Alonso on Feb 5, 2012 18:08:04 GMT -6
Some of my villains follow the same formula as my heroes. They've had a difficult life, they were presented with a difficult choice and then decided to take the darker path.
For example, the main villain of my book is a man who was chosen as a sacrifice to keep a God sealed. He didn't really want to die so he struck a deal with said God in order to "survive". Thing is, he did some pretty awful things before that and he also did good things after becoming the antagonist.
I wrote him like that because I'm not a big a fan of the whole "Black or White" mentality some people use for their heroes and villains because I don't think many people explore the true nature of evil when making an "only evil" villain.
For example. Lord Voldemort in the Harry Potter books (as if I really had to mention where he comes from) is an "always evil" kind of villain. But to me, he sometimes appears stupid and silly.
On the other hand, room 1408 (from the movie "1408"), is a complete monster and I never thought it seemed stupid or inefficient, in fact, it's one of the few "villains" (if you can call a room that) that made me feel sick in real life due to its level of evilness.
For me, the darker a villain is, the better.
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Post by MDPthatsme on Feb 25, 2012 11:56:32 GMT -6
Villians are tricky. That's for sure. You either have to give them emotions that drive their intensions or make them emotionless. I do agree that Voldemort seemed silly in film. I don't know in reading as I never made it that far in the Harry Potter books. Now 1408 was a great film and I agree that it was one scary SOB. I have villians of all kinds: dark, short, tall, quiet, stubborn, stupid, completely arrogant/ignorant bastard, and, my favorite, wacko. Crazy people are the funest to write about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 19:33:20 GMT -6
Voldemort was great in film. Voldemort was the best thing about the Goblet of fire film. Awful film otherwise. So unlike the book for the most part. Voldemort is a great baddie, and I like that he has a back story. You could see where he was coming from, in a way you can almost sympathise with him. You can truely understand where he is coming from and why he is doing these evil things.
I think that makes a great villain. Someone you can almost sympathise with even in a weid twisted way. Because nobody is really bad for the sake of it, they do bad things for a reason. Whether its shooting a school full of kids to get revenge on the bullies, or as in a recent episode of Whitechapel (great series by the way, I don't nw if non brits get it) where he kills the families of uncaring, uoutspoken, almost nasty people to show them what it feels like to be aloneand hurt by someone. Because in his past a girl drunk drove and killed his friend, in the car they were all in. And she died before he got chance to get revenge on her, for not caring after the accident.
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Post by MDPthatsme on Mar 15, 2012 12:20:11 GMT -6
I have a villian, in prose, not Sims, who...let's say...likes to torture people. It's his thing. His reason? He doesn't really have one, besides he's a sick twisted bastard. He's on the crazy side just a tad. I suppose, he gets a feeling of power over someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 12:29:57 GMT -6
Kind like Morarity in Sherlock (bbc modern version) who decided to ruin Sherlock just because he was bored and he could, even though destroying the one man in the world who is just clever as him would lead to further boredom.
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Post by joseph on Mar 15, 2012 15:49:22 GMT -6
I kinda have a villain in development in Robert Mayes, from my Pleasantview story. (and no he isn't in the game itself. Intriguing no?). Anyway, I don't know if anyone saw or even heard of this British political drama House of Cards. (It was on in the early nineties so I wouldn't blame you if you hadn't. I've got it on DVD because I wasn't even born then.) If you haven't, go google it. The main character is chief whip Francis Urquhart, and the sadly deceased-now actor Ian Richardson plays him perfectly. On the surface, Urquhart is silky, smooth, charming. But he's playing everyone off against each other. I won't say what happens eventually, just in case anyone gets the urging to buy the dvds. (And I would seriously recommend it, because it's worth it) I based my villain on that Urquhart, and he's opened up so many plots to me, current and future. I love writing villains, and when I get around to getting inside his head, I suspect I shall enjoy it a little too much.
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Post by MDPthatsme on Mar 16, 2012 10:49:38 GMT -6
A villian of mine that I really like writing in the view of is Serial Killer Jennifer Verniski of Alternate Universe. She's just a hoot. CRAZY, but a hoot nonetheless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 12:40:53 GMT -6
I think villains are nice because they let you express the darker side of yourself, that nobody ever gets to know about otherwise. And every so often I think everyone's dark side needs to come out, in a nice safe way, not in a nasty shouty, serial murderer etc way.
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Post by MDPthatsme on Mar 16, 2012 13:27:33 GMT -6
I think so too Pink
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Post by MDPthatsme on Jun 1, 2012 13:22:51 GMT -6
What happens when you have a villian that your hero kind of admires? Now there's a twist.
Example: Spiderman2, Peter Parker and Dr. Octavis.
What steps would you take to have it make sense to readers? For instance, it's hard for some readers to understand why a hero would admire a villian even though they plan to beat them. Or how about a hero that decides to beat the villian, but not kill him or her even though the villian has done the most horrid things to the hero and the world, how do you make sense out of it?
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Post by sarahsmiles on Jul 22, 2020 18:36:36 GMT -6
I think a good villain is one that has complex layers to how they got to the way they were. These two quotes from one of my all time favorite authors Terry Goodkind and his Wizard's First Rule kind of explains not just villains but humans in general.
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